Talk:Interkosmos

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Is the date listed the date that the primary cosmonaut actually flew? Did any of the backups ever fly? Rmhermen 15:11, Oct 15, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, it is the date of the flight. And in one case the backup did fly - the Bulgarian intercosmos mission was cut short due to technical problems, and was reflown some years later with the backup cosmonaut (Soyuz TM-5). andy 15:18, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)

There should be more than just who were the cosmonauts in the Intercosmos program. When was it established? Why (as in, what was the official propogandic rationale) was it established? Also, given that there isn't much info about Intercosmos, surely this article qualifies for stub-status? Specifically USSR-stub and space-exploration stub. Thoughts? --Micahbrwn 23:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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France?[edit]

"Governments of neutral or non-aligned countries, such as France and India, also participated."

But France was not and is not "neutral or non-aligned", but a member of NATO, a military organization opposed to the USSR!RandomCritic (talk) 12:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

France was not a member of NATO from 1966 to 2009. See NATO#French_withdrawal and [1] --Goldsztajn (talk) 22:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Read your own link. France withdrew from NATO's military command, not from the organization itself; furthermore, its military was still in cooperation with the NATO forces and was organized around repelling a possible Soviet/East bloc attack in cooperation with NATO forces. France was not neutral and was and is strongly aligned. RandomCritic (talk) 13:50, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

The quote is from NATO itself, so it has a certain agenda to present, but however you read it, France's position during this time was not one of "strong" alignment to the West or the USA (in contrast to NATO members such as West Germany or the UK).

"In 1966, President Charles De Gaulle decided to withdraw France from NATO’s integrated military structure. This reflected the desire for greater military independence, particularly vis-à-vis the United States, and the refusal to integrate France’s nuclear deterrent or accept any form of control over its armed forces.
In practical terms, while France still fully participated in the political instances of the Organization, it was no longer represented on certain committees, for instance, the Defence Planning Committee and the Nuclear Planning Group. This decision also led to the removal of French forces from NATO commands and foreign forces from French territory. The stationing of foreign weapons, including nuclear weapons, was also banned. NATO’s political headquarters (based in Paris since 1952), as well as the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe or SHAPE (in Rocquencourt since 1951) moved to Belgium.
Despite France’s withdrawal from NATO’s integrated military structure, two technical agreements were signed with the Alliance, setting out procedures in the event of soviet aggression. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, France has regularly contributed troops to NATO’s military operations, making it one of the largest troop-contributing states. It is also NATO’s fourth biggest contributor to the military budget.
Since the early 1990s, France has been distancing itself from the 1966 decision with, for instance, its participation at the meetings of defence ministers since 1994 (Seville) and the presence of French officers in ACO and ACT structures since 2003. At NATO’s Strasbourg/Kehl Summit, April 2009, France officially announced its decision to fully participate in NATO structures."

Yugoslavia undertook military planning against a hypothetical Warsaw Pact invasion, yet this was in no way a contradiction to its non-aligned status. Simply making military preparations against a Soviet invasion is not per se a reason to discount France's status as non-aligned. The point for the article is the French participated in the InterCosmos program related to issues of the Cold War. Non-alignment does not necessarily imply pro-Soviet, but it meant during the Cold War that states could have favourable relations with both sides. The article needs a way to explain France's participation in InterCosmos; I don't feel any ownership over the words used, but there needs to be something that indicates that France and India were not Soviet allies and were independent of the USA and the West in regard to their foreign policy. Neutral or non-aligned does it best IMO.--Goldsztajn (talk) 18:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Austromir[edit]

Was the Austromir mission part of Intercosmos? --193.171.131.238 (talk) 15:41, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, this source (page 209) terms it a commercial relationship. --Goldsztajn (talk) 17:44, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

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France multiple Astronausts/Cosmonauts Tha sentence "of the countries involved only Bulgaria sent two cosmonauts" is, misleading at best. While Bulgaria may be the only participant to send Exactly two men into space, France sent many more astronauts, including at least one more, Thomas Pesquet, flying on Soyuz, qualifing him for narrow definition of "cosmonaut". The statement needs correction and qualification 77.253.83.211 (talk) 05:55, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

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List of manned flights[edit]

According to official Russian and Soviet sources (e.g. Historical information about the Space Council of the Russian Academy of Sciences and others) the last manned Intercosmos flight took place in August of 1988 with Afgan cosmonaut Abdul Ahad Momand. Next international crewed missions on "Mir" space station wasn't part of Intercosmos programm and mainly carried out on a commercial basis. So second flight of Jean-Loup Chrétien and all the followed missions of non-soviet cosmonauts in 1990-th are not related to the Intercosmos program. Vsatinet (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)